Loder Vancycle (again)

I admit I’m a sucker for a challenge. But also that I need help sometimes. When I couldn’t find any info on Isaac Loder and Sylvester Loder’s mother, Elizabeth Vancycle, I finally exhausted myself and asked for help. Yes, I asked for help, lol. I reached out to the folks at The Vansickle Family Tree Facebook page. The researcher there gave me some more ideas, aside from lamenting that the woman seems to appear and disappear out of nowhere and has not been heard of by said researcher. Not a great start, but he or she was still very excited. The first idea was that Isaac Sr. didn’t die in the civil war. He had a wife and kids in Pennsylvania, kids in Kansas, and another wife and kids in Kansas, more kids… He really got around I guess. The second idea was that Vancycle may not have died but remarried to a Vancyle, which would be one reason why we can’t find her. Often times a new husband didn’t want the kids that came with his new wife. 3rd idea: The families with which the Loder boys resided in 1870 may be relatives and are probably at least related to eachother. Isaac Jr. was with the Catletts. Hester Catlett’s maiden name is Potts. Sylvester is staying with the Potts family. Both are in Missouri in the same county. Both Potts are from Ohio. Vancycle is from Ohio. Perhaps they could be family or friends. In addition, in 1870 there…

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Some Loder research and images

Through seemingly endless searches I’ve been relentlessly trying to track the Loder family. I only know a small part of their sad story but I hope to get more information eventually. It may be time to take a break and tackle somebody else. To track the exact people I am talking about, here we go from youngest to oldest direct descendants: Betty Fry-Shafer > Orville Fry > Hester Loder and William Fry > Isaac Loder Jr. and Sarah (Salley) Ann Miller > Isaac Loder Sr. and Elizabeth Vancycle. Isaac Loder Jr. was born in Kansas in Johnson County 1858. Though this doesn’t mean he has Native blood at all, the county used to house an Indian Manual Labor School on a Shawnee reservation. The demographics of the school were made up of children of slaves brought to work on the land and school, and (usually) the following tribes: Shawnees, Delaware, Wyandotte, Ottawa, Kickapoo, Kaw, Pottawatomie, Osage, and Peoria. Because of the proximity to Missouri, it would not be surprising if Cherokee made it there at some point. The students would pay 75 dollars a year for room and board and education in things like milling, blacksmithing, brick laying, spinning, etc. By the time young Isaac came around, the manual portion of the school had been closed for a few years. The mission school was abandoned soon after 1862. For more on the school, read here. It’s important to note that I haven’t found Isaac Jr.’s birth certificate, so other than…

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Surprise! General John Tipton Makes an Entrance.

While trying to read up on the Indian Removal Act in hopes of finding more information on our Missouri relatives and their supposed Native ancestry, I stumbled upon General John Tipton. This would be Grandpa Wayne’s 2nd cousin 4x removed, according to Ancestory.com. John was Indian agent to the Potawatomi tribe and in charge of moving the faction in Indiana to Kansas. This was an awkward realization considering my intentions for this research, but not surprising. John’s father was killed by Natives (which ones, I don’t know) and so was the father of his second wife. He probably wasn’t too fond of them, nor they he. He had another relative that was killed by Natives: “1781 on Beargrass Creek at the Falls of the Ohio by Natives.  At the time, he was serving as a Captain in the brigade of Colonel Joseph Crockett.” This trip was documented by Catholic priest Benjamin Petit, and became known as the Potawatomi Trail of Death.  It began after a treaty (one of many) that was supposedly containing forged signatures, and signatures of people not in a position of power, was made and the inhabitants of the reservation refused to move and chiefs wrote several petitions against it. Tipton was ordered to round up the militia and forcibly move the Natives out. During their journey they lost 42  of roughly 800 to dysentery, etc. and a few more than that to sickness (they left the sick). The priest died on his return journey due to fever. The…

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A whole bunch of pictures coming!

A few weeks ago Ryan and I went to Sanger, CA to see some of my family and I of course thought this was the perfect time to spend hours and hours going over old pictures with my grandma and dad. I’ll get them all loaded up soon but I wanted to summarize my discoveries. First, I have to share a picture of my Grandma Betty because she looks great at every age, but I like the crazy hair in this one:   Walker I’ll need to add this to the list of categories. This is my grandma’s mother’s maiden name and I do believe there are photos to be had in that category. AND something about a violent family feud that could get interesting to research. Fry Oh the Frys, so many of them! One of the best parts about this trip was seeing the home videos of my grandparents’ trip to Ava Missouri, formerly “Frytown”. They met some relatives, toured the town, church, old homesteads, etc., and shared stories. I can’t view the videos on my Mac so at some point I’ll commandeer a PC long enough to get them in a format every computer can open (or on the web, let’s try that too!). I will make a script of sorts when I get to hear the entirety as well. Loder Dad and I were not able to get far on the Native American roots that continually side-step me. Apparently nobody in Missouri wanted to talk about…

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