Some Loder research and images

Through seemingly endless searches I’ve been relentlessly trying to track the Loder family. I only know a small part of their sad story but I hope to get more information eventually. It may be time to take a break and tackle somebody else.

To track the exact people I am talking about, here we go from youngest to oldest direct descendants:

Betty Fry-Shafer > Orville Fry > Hester Loder and William Fry > Isaac Loder Jr. and Sarah (Salley) Ann Miller > Isaac Loder Sr. and Elizabeth Vancycle.

Isaac Loder Jr. was born in Kansas in Johnson County 1858. Though this doesn’t mean he has Native blood at all, the county used to house an Indian Manual Labor School on a Shawnee reservation. The demographics of the school were made up of children of slaves brought to work on the land and school, and (usually) the following tribes: Shawnees, Delaware, Wyandotte, Ottawa, Kickapoo, Kaw, Pottawatomie, Osage, and Peoria. Because of the proximity to Missouri, it would not be surprising if Cherokee made it there at some point. The students would pay 75 dollars a year for room and board and education in things like milling, blacksmithing, brick laying, spinning, etc. By the time young Isaac came around, the manual portion of the school had been closed for a few years. The mission school was abandoned soon after 1862. For more on the school, read here.

It’s important to note that I haven’t found Isaac Jr.’s birth certificate, so other than his death certificate, there is no way to positively identify his parents. All I have on that bit of info is what other people have found out somehow and relayed. He is spotted at the age of 2 in an 1860 census as living with a maid. This maid is not Vancycle but rather Keyzer. Vancyle supposedly died in 1864 so it’s interesting that the toddler was not with her in 1860. His brother Sylvester was born in 1861. Growing up, they appeared to live in separate households as servants until they were employable in brick laying and other manual labor. Sylvester occasionally gives his mother’s birth state as Indiana, while Isaac usually put Ohio and at one time Pennsylvania. **Edit*** It’s important to note that there is another person beside Isaac H. Loder suspected of being Isaac’s father, and that is Henry A. Loder of Pennsylvania. He has a Civil War record, whereas I have not seen Isaac Sr. to have one. In his records so far he was in the Pennsylvania Militia and was mustered out in 1863, the year of the father’s supposed death. Mustered out simply means released. Alive. I haven’t yet found a record in which he is dead. The reason I have pursued Isaac H. Loder as the father is that the death record of Isaac Jr. notes the father is Isaac H. Loder (though it’s not viewable as an image…). Both possible fathers are from Pennsylvania. I have removed death due to Civil War as a part of the father’s record in my tree because I don’t see evidence and the people who have done the most research on this family do not have it in their tree either.***

Elizabeth Vancycle from Ohio is very illusive. She is in death records in 1864 but there is no hard copy to view and it’s unclear who was present when she died. I can’t seem to find her in any census as Vancycle or Vansickle in Kansas. There are plenty of Vansickles in Ohio during that time, even some with the first name Elizabeth, even out of those are women who died young. Some of them very very dark, and some very very white. But none of them are found in Kansas and none of them died in 1864. The Vansickles are of Lower Dutch decent and were some of the first inhabitants of New Netherland and New Amsterdam in the 1600s. They lived amiably among Natives until their home was no longer a place for the Dutch, and they split into a few directions, eventually including Ohio. Some of this was written in a book called A History of the Van Sickle Family in the United States of America.

Isaac Loder (sr.) can be spotted in many place in Kansas, possibly including short-lived Pawnee, and has even the engineering of the Christian Wetzel Cabin under his belt. He seemed to favor places around Geary County. He supposedly died in the Civil War in 1863 but no record of this has been spotted yet. People with the same name, age, and relative occupation have popped up in censuses in and near Geary County, but with different families. It’s not uncommon for people to start over after the Civil War and forget about their first families, so it would not surprise me if one of these Isaacs would be him. ***edit**I chose to remove the Civil War death since there is no evidence and it appears clear that he simply re-married to a Prussian girl named Mary (or Mollie, 16 yrs). She was born during the Baden Revolution in Prussia. According to this very vague Wikipedia article, the revolutionaries didn’t fare so well and many of them fled to America. They had a daughter named Josephine and there is another Loder in their 1865 household named Etney (4.5 yrs)who does not appear again in census records.

Isaac Loder Jr. is said to have married Sarah (Sally) Miller in the home of S. Loder (I assume his brother).They had sooo many kids. Just like most people did back then. Sylvester married a woman named Sophrona and she died young, leaving just a few kids. The reason I care about all the kids and not just Hester, is that I’m still trying to identify the people in Betty’s album of Tintypes. There is only one name in the the whole album and it is Jonahs Miller. Since there are two sets of Millers in Betty’s background (and two Sarah Millers!) I wasn’t really sure which one it belonged to. I think that now though, I am leaning toward it being a Miller/Loder album based on an image of James Loder, Hester’s brother. It was not a tintype but it was found in the album and it matches the likeness of him and Eda in Ansestory.com images. Now just to compare all the other images to more I may find!

There are countless other things I looked into that I for some reason didn’t think to write down, but am hoping to be better at this. If you want to request a census image, I can probably find it but I’m putting Ansestory.com on pause so I can deal with other financial obligations.

Based on these images maybe you can identify some others that you may know of! The names are simply what was provided with the image online. I’ll have to do a read-up of the Miller’s, both sets.

James Loder and Eda Green from Betty’s album

James and Eda from Ancestry.com user

Isaac, Sarah (sally), Mamie, Hazel, Jim, Daisy, Earnest, Finney

Isaac, Sarah (Sally), Hazel, Jim

Sarah (sally), Hazel, Jim

Sarah (Sally) Miller

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